He now has a bit more average speed, and launching power on the higher end of the middle class, finishing his ideal character mold to me. So with those two changes, his moveset is perfect to me. To me, the things that needed to be adjusted the most for Mario's core design were his speed and power, the former for being too prevalent, and the latter being inconsistent and surprisingly low, which just doesn't feel like Mario to me. To compensate, Mario's KOing power is boosted a bit, with a few more kill moves and having a bit more ease killing. Up smash and up air in particular get the biggest nerfs (Up smash's FAF increased from 40 to 44, making it less spammable, and up air's start up is increased from 4 frames to 6, making two of his more ridiculous tools a bit more down to earth). While he should have good frame data, it's a bit TOO fast (some of the fastest in the game, and it makes him feel a bit more like a rushdown character in some situations, which isn't how I think Mario should be). In general, I would tone down his frame data a bit, especially on his KOing options. I will share a few mild, insignificant changes, most for balance and some stuff I'd just like to see, to help him fit the all-rounder mold even better. He has enough of his most iconic moves from his own series, and, well, his moveset largely emphasizes his role as the one right in the middle of the pack, the perfect introductory character. He represents what he was always meant to be the all rounder, the gimmick free cool kid who can do a bit of everything, and can fit into many scenarios seamlessly. All in all, I think with SSB4, they really nailed Mario's moveset.
So, what moves would I add and what would I replace? This is basically an extended version of my suggestions in the revamp a veteran thread. Hey, is this the threads for Mario as a whole, or just Super Mario Odyssey!Mario? I don't see any other Mario threads, so I'll assume these are also the threads for Mario as a whole, and I'll share my ideas for Mario here.
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